Gosh, how could I have been so blind? I couldn’t think why nu-52 Starfire would be so pouty, broody and angry all the time. Why it’s imperative that her giant boobs always be seen flapping around all over the place. Why each time she does anything more than pose with her ass sticking out Roy and Jason fall over themselves pointing out how awesome she is. “WHO KNEW STARFIRE WAS SUCH A BADASS? I’d never have guessed. WOW, amazing, how COMPLETELY UNEXPECTED. Look at her, she is SOOOO strong and independent. Such an empowered, CUTE, LITTLE, BIKINI-CLAD SPACE KITTEN.”
The answer is obvious. Lobdell’s Starfire is a FEMINIST ICON.
(My apologies for hijacking your post and writing an essay OTL)
Wait, he really thinks that his Starfire is a feminist icon?
Does he even understand what makes a character or a person a fictional icon? Because I think he needs to be reminded that male gaze-y sex positivism and the propensity to kill things on her own does not a feminist icon make.
Kory can be a feminist icon (more importantly, she can be a role model for people who identify as women who want to be more confident despite the trauma in their lives), but she isn’t even close to it in Lobdell’s Outlaws.
What on earth does he see in his book that shows Kori as a feminist icon? Techinically, she’s a strong female character, but that’s it. She’s a ‘Strong Female Character’ TM. She appeals more to men than she does to anyone that would see her as an icon or a role model and she’s not displayed any sort of ~major feminist moment~ aside from what… fighting things?
Here are some actual feminist icons in comics for Lobdell and what they represent (since he really needs some help and I did just write a paper that’s related to the subject):
Wonder Woman - The first adult female superhero to be independent and not to have a man (as a significant other or leader) tell her what to do/give her name. Is an actual feminist icon outside of the comic book industry. People that don’t read comics know how important Wondy Is.
Vampirella - Created in part by Trina Robbins (a comics + feminist icon in her own right) Vampirella wore less clothing that Koriand’r usually does and still kicks more ass. She’s not a second tier character at all and she’s one of the most well-known headers of comic books.
Power Girl - Actual feminist Peej was created in the later 70s/early 80s and was an actual freaking feminist character. And not just a stereotype of what male comic book writers thought feminists were. She was independent of Superman and didn’t take shit from anyone, not even her team mates.
Storm - the first black superheroine in comics, she kicked ass and dealt with actual issues in her books. It wasn’t all catfights and sex with her at all. She was an inspiration for little black girls who read comics and didn’t have anyone to look towards that wasn’t a racist stereotype. Her stories don’t revolve around her being a VICTIM in capital letters and a survivor second and her worth isn’t tied into her sexuality and her sexuality alone.
Hell, even Tank-Girl is more of a feminist icon than Lobdell’s Starfire.
When Kory was created, she was pretty close to a feminist icon. She practiced free and open love, gave her everything to the people she cared about, and still took absolutely no shit from anyone. Not even her teammates. She was essentially a baby feminist icon.
Scott Lobdell obviously thinks that being a fictional princess who can fly a space ship is the only requirement in being a fictional feminist icon and that he’s got to be the leading source on it.
What does he know about feminism anyway? Because his Kory definitely isn’t a feminist icon in any definable capacity unless you stretch the definition really far out.
Also: What’s with him picking on Tumblr all the damn time. It’s not only on tumblr. It’s the little kids who grew up with Starfire and now can’t stomach her presence in books. It’s the people who realize that they’re being sold sex, not a feminist icon who wants to have sex. He’s not right singling out tumblr to make fun of especially since some of the harshest critique comes from Livejournal and you know… actual comic book reviewers.
Actual feminist icons: Xena the Warrior Princess, Wonder Woman, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Storm
Get a clue, Lobdell. Even if I wrote a longer list, your Koriand’r would have a ways to go before she was EVER on it.
For me, personally, Starfire is one of my own personal female fictional heroes. I love this character. She used to inspire me greatly. She was a free woman, who loved openly and without shame. In a day and age where women STILL can’t be in charge of their sexuality Kori did and was. She loved sex, she loved people, she loved. Where I see women who are criticized for being ‘overly emotional’ Kori was never like that. She felt with everything she had, 210% Kori felt, strongly, and passionately, and she was never ashamed of it. She was a princess, a lover, a warrior, even a teacher at one point.
Kori was one of my own personal comic heroes because she was who she was, without shame. She loved herself. She was confident, independent, she was open, she was life.
Which is why Lobdell needs to get the FUCK OUT with this shit because nU!Starfire isn’t Koriand’r, she isn’t the character I feel in love with. Hell she can’t even remember the people who meant the most to her (Dick, Raven, Donna, Victor, etc) her friends, gone. Her feelings, poof. Her sexual agency? Lol what’s that here let me bend her into a strange and twisted pose and call it sexual agency instead of objectification.
So fuck you Lobdell and your gross, twisted, offensive idea of what a ‘feminist icon’ is.